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Usted menciona una regla específica:
"If you bring a character into play during your organization phase and then do not have enough influence to control him, the character just brought into play must be returned to your hand at the end of your organization phase."
La regla sobre poner personajes en juego cuando no se tiene suficiente influencia se menciona en varios lugares en los libros de reglas publicados y en el CRF. Me llevó un rato pero descubrí que la regla que citaste es de "MELE, Reglas Estándar, Personajes y Compañías, Descartando Personajes".
La regla sobre "Descarte de Personajes" no es la regla principal sobre el juego de personajes. Te está haciendo saber que no puedes jugar un personaje más allá de la influencia y luego descartar un personaje diferente -- el personaje jugado debe ser devuelto a la mano (no puedes jugar y descartar un personaje en el mismo turno, las reglas permiten una cosa o la otra).
En "MELE, Starter Rules, Characters & Companies, Bringing Characters into Play" se indica:
"You may play a non-Ringwraith character card. You must place him at his home site or at any Darkhaven site. If you do not have enough general influence or direct influence to control the character by the end of your organization phase, then the character is returned to hand. You must place him at his home site or at any Darkhaven site."
Entonces, es cierto que las reglas no te hacen crear suficiente influencia para controlar al personaje.
Pero también es cierto que el personaje no se devuelve a tu mano si tienes suficiente influencia directa para controlarlo.
La regla MELE rige pero la errata a las reglas METW da esencialmente la misma regla:
"You may play a character if you do not have enough influence to control them. However, if there are any characters you do not have the influence to control at the end of your organization phase, the character you brought into play this turn must be returned to your hand."
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Por cierto, algunos de tus ejemplos no funcionan por otra razón. Hay una aclaración en el CRF bajo "organizar compañías" (también reflejada en el Resumen de Reglas del Mazo de Desafío / MEBA):
"Company composition changes that you choose to make, including bringing a character into play, must all be done at the same time during the organization phase. During this time no other actions may be taken."
Debido a esta regla, en el ejemplo 2, no puedes darle a Elrond la piedra élfica para controlar a Celeborn porque transferir la piedra élfica no es un "cambio en la composición de la compañía" y porque "Durante este tiempo [de hacer cambios en la composición de la compañía] no se pueden realizar otras acciones." Del mismo modo, no puedes jugar Doeth, y luego jugar "Voces de malicia" para descartar "I'll Report You" (Cierra la Boca ? / "Shut Yer Mouth"? ) y luego mover Doeth bajo influencia directa porque jugar "Voces de malicia" no es un "cambio de composición de la compañía"
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Por cierto, las reglas originales de METW no permitían estrictamente jugar con personajes sin influencia para controlarlos. Luego el libro "Wizards's Companion" hizo una aclaración:
"Aclaración: Durante la fase de organización, puedes mover personajes de control por influencia general a control por influencia directa y viceversa siempre que tu total de atributos mentales no supere tu influencia disponible al final de la fase de organización."
Así que esto permitió a Arwen con un Anillo Menor pasar del control de Aragorn y luego tomar el control de él. Pero no permitía jugar con personajes que no estuvieran totalmente controlados por influencia general o influencia directa.
Y luego una variación anterior de esta regla decía
"*Pregunta: ¿Puedo jugar con un personaje si no tengo suficiente influencia general para controlarlo?
*Respuesta: Sí, siempre que tengas suficiente influencia general y directa para controlar a todos tus personajes al final de la fase de organización."
Así que incluso allí no estaba permitido jugar un personaje sólo para usarlo para una cosa y luego volver a traerlo a la mano. Pero luego con MELE la regla se generalizó. Realmente no parece intencionado.
Es de suponer que algunas de estas consecuencias imprevistas son la razón por la que lo han hecho retroceder un poco al exigir que todos los "cambios en la composición de la empresa" se produzcan "al mismo tiempo".
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You mention a specific rule:
"If you bring a character into play during your organization phase and then do not have enough influence to control him, the character just brought into play must be returned to your hand at the end of your organization phase."
The rule about bringing characters into play when you do not have enough influence is mentioned in several places across the published rulebooks and CRF. It took me a while but I discovered that you rule you cited is from "MELE, Standard Rules, Characters & Companies, Discarding Characters."
The rule on "Discarding Characters" is not the primary rule on playing characters. It is letting you know that you cannot play a character beyond influence and then discard a different character -- the character played must be returned to hand (you cannot both play and discard a character in the same turn, the rules allow one or the other).
In "MELE, Starter Rules, Characters & Companies, Bringing Characters into Play" it states:
"You may play a non-Ringwraith character card. You must place him at his home site or at any Darkhaven site. If you do not have enough general influence or direct influence to control the character by the end of your organization phase, then the character is returned to hand. You must place him at his home site or at any Darkhaven site."
So, it's true that the rules do not make you create enough influence to control the character.
But it's also true that the character is not returned to your hand if you have enough direct influence to control them.
The MELE rule governs but the errata to the METW rules gives essentially the same rule:
"You may play a character if you do not have enough influence to control them. However, if there are any characters you do not have the influence to control at the end of your organization phase, the character you brought into play this turn must be returned to your hand."
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By the way, some of your examples do not work for a different reason. There is a clarification in the CRF under "organizing companies" (also reflected in the Challenge Deck / MEBA Rule Summary):
"Company composition changes that you choose to make, including bringing a character into play, must all be done at the same time during the organization phase. During this time no other actions may be taken."
Because of this rule, in example 2, you cannot give Elrond the Elf-stone to control Celeborn because transferring the Elf-stone is not a "company composition change" and because "During this time [of making company composition changes] no other actions may be taken." Similarly, you cannot play Doeth, and then play "voices of malice" to discard "I'll Report You" and then move Doeth under direct influence because playing "Voices of Malice" is not a "company composition change"
By the way, the original METW rules strictly did not allow for playing characters without influence to control them. Then the "Wizards's Companion" Book gave a clarification:
"Clarification: During the organization phase, you can move characters from control by general influence to control by direct influence and vice versa so long as your total of mind attributes does not exceed your available influence at the end of the organization phase."
So this allowed for Arwen with a Lesser Ring to move out from Aragorn's control and then take control of him. But it did not allow for characters to be played unless fully controlled by general influence or direct influence.
And then an earlier variation on this ruling stated
"*Question: Can I play a character if I don’t have enough general influence to control them?
*Answer: Yes, as long as you have enough general and direct influence to control all of your characters at the end of the organization phase."
So even there it was not allowable to play a character just to use them for one thing and then bring them back to hand. But then with MELE the rule became generalized. It doesn't really seem intentional.
